Learn more at Duct Tape Marketing about Unlocking Hidden Profits with Stacey Hylen, a book by John Jantsch.
Listen to the full season: Overview In this instance of the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast, John Jantsch interviews Stacey Hylen, globally recognized business manager, development strategist, and writer of” Hidden Profits: More Clients and Cash”. Stacey offers practical advice on how business owners can generate long-term clients, raise prices confidently, and generate undiscovered income.
Learn more at Duct Tape Marketing about Unlocking Hidden Profits with Stacey Hylen, a book by John Jantsch.
Overview
John Jantsch discussions Stacey Hylen, a well-known business manager, development strategist, and writer of” Hidden Profits: More Customers and Cash” in this show of the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast. Stacey shares meaningful insights on how business owners may discover untapped revenue, boost prices with confidence, and make long-term client relationships—often without spending a dime on fresh marketing. The conversation explains why perspective is crucial, how to transition from a commodity to a couture, and why small adjustments ( like a simple push question ) can have a significant impact.
About the Guest
Stacey Hylen is a globally recognized business manager, development planner, and speaker who has spent over two decades helping entrepreneurs—from single businesses to Fortune 500s—uncover hidden profits and increase efficiency. Stacey is renowned for her sensible, empowering approach to business growth as a former Chet Holmes International vice president and author of” Hidden Profits.”
- Website: staceyhylen.com
- Book at hiddenprofitbook .com
Practical Insight
- Most business owners are very close to their businesses to spot hidden gain opportunities—outside view is strong.
- Raising prices is frequently the quickest way to make money, but it necessitates a shift in perspective and ownership of your expertise.
- Attracting the right clients ( and letting go of the wrong ones ) leads to higher revenue, less price sensitivity, and more enjoyable work.
- ” Profit leaks” are brought on by avoiding crucial sales and marketing actions and focusing on low-impact tasks.
- Reframing sales as service ( helping, not selling ) builds confidence and makes it easier to attract and close ideal clients.
- Past clients are a goldmine—reactivation and” come on back” strategies can drive immediate revenue with minimal effort.
- Do you want fries with that?- upsells and cross-sells at the point of sale create easy, recurring profit boosts.
- Every team member should look for opportunities to help clients and add value, not just salespeople.
- Even” commodity” businesses can reposition themselves as unique, high-value partners through better packaging, messaging, and client experience.
- Small changes can have huge impact—one new question or process can increase sales by 40 % or more.
Great Moments ( with Timestamps )
- 00: 54 – Doubling Revenue with Hidden Profits
Stacey describes how a client changed pricing and reactivated former customers for dramatic growth. - 02: 07 – Overcoming the Fear of Raising Prices
Why mindset and confidence are essential to charging what you’re worth. - 03: 19 – The Power of Defining Your Focus
How strategic positioning and language attract the right ( and repel the wrong ) clients. - 04: 58 – Spotting and Removing” Profit Leaks”
Why low-impact busywork and avoidance hold businesses back from real growth. - 06: 02 – Sales as Service, Not Selling
Why does rearranging the sales conversation help business owners overcome resistance and win business. - 08: 46 – The” Come on Back” Strategy
How one client reactivated former customers to have their best month ever, even in December. - 10: 30 – The$ 700, 000 Mistake
The cost of not keeping in touch—and how a single call can recover massive lost revenue. - The Hidden Profits Framework 12: 53
Stacey outlines her step-by-step process for finding revenue you already have. - 13: 47 – Upsells and Cross-Sells at the Point of Sale
Simple, proven ways to increase average transaction value. - 15: 52 – From Commodity to Couture
How even price-sensitive businesses can reposition themselves to increase profits and loyalty. - 18: 00 – Surprising Results with Small Changes
The story of a 48 % sales increase resulting from a single upsell question.
Pulled Quotes
” Most business owners are too close to see the hidden profits in their business. It’s about becoming more resourceful, not just adding more.
— Stacey Hylen
” Sales is the service. If you’re great at what you do, you owe it to your clients to help them—and that means being confident about your value”.
— Stacey Hylen
John Jantsch ( 00: 01.55 )
The Duct Tape Marketing Podcast’s latest episode is here. This is John Jantsch. My guest today is Stacey Hylen. She has over 20 years of experience helping business owners uncover untapped revenue and performance in their businesses. She is a globally recognized business coach, growth strategist, and speaker. As a former vice president for Chet Holmes International, Stacey has worked with companies ranging from solo entrepreneurs to Fortune 500s. We’ll discuss her newest book.
hidden profits, more clients and cash. So welcome to the show, Stacey.
Stacey Hylen ( 00: 35.247 )
Thanks John, I’m excited to be here.
John Jantsch ( 00: 37.696 )
So you open actually the book with a story, which is always awesome. A business owner doubled their revenue without new marketing spend. Can you explain a small amount of the hidden profit you helped them uncover and, perhaps also, how they couldn’t spot it themselves.
Stacey Hylen ( 00: 54.649 )
Yeah, well, the truth is that most business owners are stuck in the day to day activities all the time. so it’s really, really hard to see the things for yourself. So the hidden profits came about from when I worked with Tony Robbins and he said during the recession, it’s not about a lack of resources. It involves developing more resources.
And so what we looked at is, all right, what are the ways that we can increase? And we examined the various unintended profits in his company. In this case, he was able to do a come on back strategy to reactivate a bunch of the clients that, that hadn’t been in his business for a while and increase his business that way. And then we also looked at tweaking his pricing because this is in a lot of places he was under pricing what he was doing.
John Jantsch ( 01: 45.902 )
Yeah, yeah, we could probably talk the whole show about that very thing. That’s especially true for service-based businesses. What would and you probably encountered that a lot, right? So just telling somebody they should raise their prices. It makes sense, I suppose. It’s pretty hard for them to sometimes stomach. How can you turn people around the resistance they’re used to experiencing?
Stacey Hylen ( 02: 07.779 )
Well, it’s funny because in the book I call that that fear factor, right? The hidden benefit of raising your prices is because people who are unable to raise prices do so because they lack mentality as opposed to abundance mentality. It also comes from not owning your expertise. And so, in my opinion, one of the biggest obstacles for entrepreneurs is to first have control over their expertise and the outcomes their clients ‘ clients receive. And when you.
John Jantsch ( 02: 11.746 )
Yes, that’s correct.
Stacey Hylen ( 02: 37.315 )
It’s much easier to say,” OK, this is worth charging more for, be willing, know, sometimes it’s baby steps that we have to do, you know, that we raise the price on one particular product, service, or program, and then, you know, step it up again and again until we get to the right spot.
John Jantsch ( 03: 00.226 )
You know, I also find a lot of that comes from them not really being very specific about who they can help. And as a result, they draw a lot of people who don’t value their services, don’t value their expertise, and are thus very price sensitive. Would you, would you say that’s also another, like getting people to narrow their focus as part of it too?
Stacey Hylen ( 03: 19.331 )
Yeah, it’s really important. And I think part of that comes from your language when you speak to in your marketing, you know, and really honing in that strategic positioning so that you become the expert that they want to work with. And I believe that yesterday I had a client here for a VIP day, as you may well know. And one of the things that was funny is he was saying words that he wanted, you know, to attract the clients and.
None of the words he mentioned were the words that a transformation’s potential would be looking for or seeking in reality. So we had to really look at that. And then we also looked at, know, who are those clients that he didn’t want and what were the warning signs? Because I believe that a lot of times, again coming from a lack perspective versus an abundance perspective, they believe it’s a lead. have to take this client. However, having a lot of bad clients drains your energy. It sucks your time.
And it’s not a great way to grow your business. While having a fun-to-work with, invested client is one of your ideal clients, that is a fantastic way to expand your company.
John Jantsch ( 04: 15.278 )
Yeah.
John Jantsch ( 04: 23. 244 )
Yeah, it’s funny, you know, you’re in this game very long at all. You know, you can almost, I can almost talk to a client. You know, well, if we go, you’re going to be a good client or not, so they ask me first. You know, you get really good at sort of recognizing that perfect client behavior, don’t you?
Stacey Hylen ( 04: 39. 149 )
Yes. And also it’s, it’s, it’s willing to be pay attention to your gut when you hear that, but you’re like, Ooh, that’s not going to be a good one. And being willing to simply release them and let them roam.
John Jantsch ( 04: 44.118 )
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
John Jantsch ( 04: 52.022 )
You identify something as being a problem that you call profit leaks. You want to briefly describe what those are.
Stacey Hylen ( 04: 58.991 )
Yes. So one of the things with the profit leaks is that people are focusing on the wrong thing in their business. They’re focusing on the minutia in their business that is not helping them create revenue. Right. And so this could be endlessly tweaking your website. could be anything that is so much simpler to accomplish than to actually conduct some marketing, go out there, talk to prospects, and get in front of, you know, places where your ideal clients are.
John Jantsch ( 05: 13.417 )
Right
John Jantsch ( 05: 20.204 )
Mm-hmm.
Stacey Hylen ( 5: 26.883 )
So I’m sure you see that in all of your work that people just like hide out. Because they don’t take the necessary steps, that’s where a lot of those revenue leaks actually occur.
John Jantsch ( 05: 36.682 )
Well, I can go a lot of directions with that. But I believe that’s a real problem. A lot of businesses, mean, a of people know how to do something. They entered a company to do it, but they didn’t actually enter one to sell to, you know, to actually talk to or persuade people as they might feel. So how do you get people past that? Because I mean, the whole profit conversation kind of breaks down if I can’t go out there and get clients.
Stacey Hylen ( 06: 02.691 )
The thing is, that I really help my clients shift from seeing sales as selling to helping them see it as serving. And the reason for that is that if I asked you what was your favorite restaurant, you would say, John, what is your favorite restaurant. It’s easy to say, right?
John Jantsch ( 06: 18.35 )
Okay, Trace Greengroce is playing in Nederland, Colorado, if you’re listening. Okay, go ahead.
Stacey Hylen ( 06: 24.565 )
Awesome. Awesome. And as you might expect, that’s simple because you think, my goodness, I’m going to help Stacey find a fantastic restaurant while she’s in Colorado. But the thing is, is your prospects are also having problems and challenges. And if you are truly skilled in what you do and are an expert at it, you should be willing to share what you do because you are actually helping someone solve their problem. So I think that’s really the first step to shift into that.
that confidence and that’s where having a coach really helps is because sometimes they have, my clients have to borrow my confidence, both in selling, marketing, and also raising their prices, right? Because of all of those, confidence issues.
John Jantsch ( 06: 51.02 )
Yeah.
John Jantsch ( 06: 56.056 )
Yeah, yeah.
John Jantsch ( 07: 02.604 )
Yes. And I would extend that to referrals too, because a lot of people, even if they have a good customer, they’re like, I’m reluctant to ask, you know, for referrals, but it’s the same thing. Wouldn’t you be your friend if you were getting this amazing result, like, if you were? So it’s kind of the same mentality, isn’t it? So I should have asked this at the very beginning of the show. However, we should start by talking briefly about how people relate to the word “profit.” You know, a lot of business owners,
don’t really think about profit, or, heaven forbid, some people actually see it as a negative thing. And so consequently, and you probably know Mike McCallewitz, my friend that’s been on the show a number of times, wrote Profit First. And you you said that a lot of business owners, all they really want to do is pay the bills and pay themselves a salary and, you know, amounts to being a job rather than building an asset. Do you ever discover that you have to actually set the tone at times?
Stacey Hylen ( 07: 44.143 )
Mm-hmm.
John Jantsch ( 07: 59.532 )
baseline for what profit is and why it’s a good thing?
Stacey Hylen ( 08: 03.279 )
It does depend on the client occasionally, right? But I think a lot of times what happens is, you know, the hidden profits are really revenue boosters that go direct line to bottom line profit. And that’s what makes this book different. Right, because that’s why this book has hidden profits, because there are things that…
John Jantsch ( 08: 04.737 )
Okay.
John Jantsch ( 08: 08: 8 )
Yeah, yeah.
John Jantsch ( 08: 16.108 )
Yes. Yeah. Raise your prices without raising your costs. Right.
Stacey Hylen ( 08: 23.691 )
increase your revenue, but because it doesn’t raise your cost, you’re not using the strategies in the book to generate more marketing or expense. It all goes to the bottom line profit. So it makes it much easier to boost your profit.
John Jantsch ( 08:26.958 )
Yeah.
John Jantsch ( 08: 36.398 )
So, if you were going to enter a company, which I know is different, but have you discovered that there are a few things like, that’s the low hanging fruit. Like here’s the first thing we’re gonna do.
Stacey Hylen ( 08: 46.051 )
Yes, absolutely. So the first thing is, know, what do you have for past clients that are currently not doing business with you? Because those people trust you, they love you, and you know they are shy or hesitant to do it, in general. People are, other than dentists, are hesitant to get people to come back, right? And so.
John Jantsch ( 09: 10.156 )
Yeah,
Stacey Hylen ( 09: 11.247 )
We want to implement a come on back approach. And I had a client that I talk about in the book that she was taking one of my live hidden profit programs and it was the slowest month of the year for her. It was December. She was selling weight loss. Nobody wants to lose weight in December. It’s time to eat your grandmother’s cookies, isn’t it? So we did, she, she was an action taker and she said, I’m going to do it even though it’s December. And I was like, well, this might not be the best month for this hidden profit, but go for it.
John Jantsch ( 09: 26.486 )
Right,
Stacey Hylen ( 09: 39.809 )
She increased her sales by more than 50 % in a single month. She had her best month ever in her business by doing that reactivation strategy. And it’s because she actually went back to them, gave them permission to come back. And sometimes that’s because you think the client is shy because they might have tried using another weight-loss product or using someone else to fix their car or cut their hair or whatever. And you’re saying like, Hey, I’d love to have you back.
John Jantsch ( 09: 53. 861 )
Yeah.
John Jantsch ( 10: 01.932 )
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Stacey Hylen ( 10: 09.017 )
come on back and that works almost every single time to really boost profits very quickly.
John Jantsch ( 10: 15. 148 )
You know, it’s really interesting too, because I think most businesses feel like, they left because they weren’t getting what they wanted here or, but people leave for tons of reasons. Right. And so I believe that many people’s reaction to the idea that it was all about us is probably what holds them back.
Stacey Hylen ( 10: 30.625 )
Yes, this is going to be a rider-downer for both your listeners and viewers. I have a client, we call this the$ 700, 000 mistake. And he was coming to his coaching call and he canceled last minute. And I responded,” What happened?” And he said, well, I had a hundred thousand dollars sale. No, typically a sale for one hundred thousand dollars. I would be like, let’s do our happy dance. And he said, no, Stacy, this was not a happy dance moment. And I said,” Well, how can a thousand dollars sale not be a happy hour?” And he said, this client.
John Jantsch ( 10: 34.904 )
Okay, let’s hear it.
John Jantsch ( 10: 51.084 )
Right, right.
Stacey Hylen ( 11: 00.111 )
was a former client who has been trading with my competition for the past seven years. And because he had not said, come on back, he lost$ 700, 000 in sales. So I want your listeners to be thinking about that. Really, there is some hidden profit in there that you can easily re-engage with if you speak to these former clients.
John Jantsch ( 11: 26.412 )
I suppose, in any case, I believe he should have performed the happy dance. Okay. He learned a lesson, but take what you can get.
Stacey Hylen ( 11: 33.769 )
He learned a very expensive lesson.
John Jantsch ( 11: 38.424 )
So in some cases, people left because something was too expensive, their business had changed or something. mean, so how often do you find that the hidden profits might be in saying, hey, we need to relook at all of our products or all of our offerings and repackage or repositioning. How much of making new money kind of revitalizes what you’ve already made?
Stacey Hylen ( 12: 01.711 )
Yeah, well, when I, I have a mastermind, we hold retreats twice a year, and we do them every six months, I would say six months. It kind of gives us a time to like deep dive into the business and look at, okay, what’s working, what’s changed because you’re, you know, the markets change, the economy changes. AI has brought in a lot of stuff, right? Like myself, I recently obtained my AI consultant certification. like you can look at like.
John Jantsch ( 12: 22. 892 )
Right. Right.
Stacey Hylen ( 12: 29. 817 )
How can you refresh your offers to meet what your clients actually want right now? How can you arrange them differently? How can you drive them to those offers in a way that gets more clients quickly?
John Jantsch ( 12: 45.048 )
You do, therefore, mention the hidden profits section in the book. Is there a way for you to give the high level, here’s the step-by-step process?
Stacey Hylen ( 12: 53. 581 )
Yeah, so what we’re looking at is we’re looking at where you’re not getting the revenue coming in the door. So we talked about the reactivation, the come on back. That leaves you with clients who have already engaged with you. Another great spot to look at that’s a very quick win for most people is do you want fries with that? Right? The upsell. Now, when we were kids, we went to McDonald’s and they said, do you want fries with that? And our parents said,” OK.”
And now they sell the happy meal, you know, the combo meal that has everything together with it. And they say,” Do you want to biggie-size it or to supersize it?” And so a lot of times people are leaving money on the table right there when people have their wallets out. So when people have their wallets out in your business, that’s an opportunity for you to say, okay, you’re signing up for this. Do you like this? The VIP level support? Do you like this?
John Jantsch ( 13: 37.646 )
Mm-hmm.
Stacey Hylen ( 13: 47.407 )
additional thing that will assist them in resolving their issue and expedite their goals. So those are two hidden profit points that are really quick to add into your business without any additional time, money, or, you know, team members to implement them.
John Jantsch ( 14: 03. 31 )
Let’s say you do have a team. I work with a lot of folks that have, you know, even salespeople in organizations, which, you know, their job is to sell more stuff, right? However, what you’re talking about is the reactivating customers who are looking for ways to sell more to, you know, even account managers, as they do in marketing firms. I isn’t that something that really ought to be, or a business ought to look at that as being everybody’s job, is to start adding those things?
Stacey Hylen ( 14: 27. 725 )
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Like I have a client for a long time. He’s been my client for over 15 years. And so what we consider to be your best clients every year is, okay, who are they? What additional products, services, what additional things can help them solve their problems and help their clients reach their goals faster. And then his team, he has salespeople and he has operations people, they are trained to look for.
opportunities are also present in that account. Like what else does this client need? What other divisions could benefit from our services, according to this business? Who else could we meet in this company that could connect us to somebody else in the company that also needs our products or services? So absolutely, that’s something that should be constantly looked at and also rewarded, right? In terms of not just a sales team but also if you have an operations team that deals with clients frequently, they’re a really good person to work with.
John Jantsch ( 15: 16.492 )
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Stacey Hylen ( 15: 24. 089 )
hear about the pain, to hear about the goals within the company, how they’ve changed since the person’s talked to the salesperson and bring in some additional revenue through that avenue as well.
John Jantsch ( 15: 31.116 )
Yes.
John Jantsch ( 15: 35.852 )
What about companies that feel like, and I run across them all the time, at least people have this mentality. I feel like I work in this commodity sector. It’s all about price. You know, there’s, there’s really nothing more we can squeeze out of this. Have you ever been able to influence businesses that are similar, or at least those that are?
Stacey Hylen ( 15: 52.259 )
That is absolutely true, and one of my favorite things to do is transition clients from being a commodity to a couture. And what that means is, you know, if you are competing on price, right? I had a client in the logistics industry, they are competing on price every single day and they’re competing against a hundred million dollar, billion dollar companies that are, you know, they have hundreds of salespeople smiling and dialing all day long, sending cold emails, all of that.
John Jantsch ( 15: 56. 00 )
Yeah.
John Jantsch ( 16: 13.826 )
Right.
Stacey Hylen ( 16: 22.325 )
And my client was a boutique company. He’s gone from six to eight figures since we’ve been working together because we positioned him as this couture brand of helping him solve a problem for his client and get a better result, not saying, Hey, can we quote you on, on shipping? Do you have a quote? And so what we’ve done is we’ve positioned him as how can we help you increase the client satisfaction on the back end?
John Jantsch ( 16: 32.557 )
Mm-hmm.
Stacey Hylen ( 16: 48.267 )
of the transaction once you make a sale in your company. Logistics also turns into a value-added service rather than a cost. that also, when you position yourself in that future manner, it also helps the person making that buying decision be more confident changing providers because they’re going towards something, not just like making a minute improvement in something or just cutting costs, which often means you’re getting less service, less quality.
John Jantsch ( 17: 08. 172 )
Yeah, right.
John Jantsch ( 17: 17.398 )
Yes. Well, and they also aren’t going to leave you for the next person that’s five cents cheaper, right? Because it’s like there’s no way around it. Have you had any results that that that you’ve gotten for somebody that even surprised you?
Stacey Hylen ( 17: 22.723 )
Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.
Stacey Hylen ( 17: 30.847 )
Oh my goodness. Well, I would say that person doing the weight loss in December was a huge one. the other one, I had a client who had an auto parts store who is, you know, had all employees that were elderly and he was complaining about them when he did his intake form and is saying like, this wasn’t working, that wasn’t working. And the team was the focus. And I said, my gosh, how am going to help him if none of his team will do anything he said?
John Jantsch ( 17: 35.822 )
Yeah.
John Jantsch ( 17: 55.555 )
Mm-hmm.
Stacey Hylen ( 18: 00.271 )
So I said, we’re probably going to have to clean the house. And when we got on the call, he said, well, I’m not willing to let anybody go there. This small town is where we reside. They’re not gonna get any other employment. They’re family members, church members. So what we did was we conducted an one-question upsell. That was it. And that significantly increased his monthly sales. And it was just, he was blown away. I was blown away because he had such a hard, you know,
John Jantsch ( 18: 09.347 )
Hehehe.
Stacey Hylen ( 18: 29.039 )
Hill to climb with his staff to accomplish something? Just one question at a 48 % increase.
John Jantsch ( 18: 35.278 )
You and that’s a great lesson, too, because we occasionally try to do all of these, don’t you? At one time, and it just kind of overwhelms everybody. People enjoyed doing that one thing for themselves. And then they probably, when they started seeing success, they probably got a little jazzed in.
Stacey Hylen ( 18: 50.711 )
Yes, yes, because you want to have more of that when you get a yes and people are content. Right. Additionally, the employees had the employer being really happy, which created goodwill and improved the company culture as well.
John Jantsch ( 18: 53.419 )
you
John Jantsch ( 19: 05.774 )
Well, Stacey, I appreciate you stopping by the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast for a moment. Where would you invite people to connect with you, find out more about your work, and obviously pick up a copy of Hidden Profits?
Stacey Hylen ( 1980 ): 14.
Yeah, thanks for asking. This has been great. I can be found online at staceyhyland.com, and I’m Stacey Hyland everywhere. And then if you want to get on the early bird list for the book, you go to hiddenprofitbook .com and we’re going to have a bunch of resources there. I have some AI stuff that I’ve kind of hidden behind the scenes and have, you know, plugged in with the hidden profits. So that’s going to be great. So go to hiddenprofitbook .com to get that as well.
John Jantsch ( 1942.24 )
Awesome. I appreciate you stopping by, and I’m hoping to see you on the road one day.
Stacey Hylen ( 19: 46.932 )
Thanks John, have a great day.
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